Former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified behind closed doors last week about their ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Last night, video of their depositions was released by the House Oversight Committee, and there are some interesting moments we have got to talk about.
How Young Is Young?
Bill was entertaining, and there were plenty of brutally uncomfortable moments thanks to lines of questioning like this from Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC):
MACE: One of the witnesses testified in the Epstein cases that Epstein said you, quote, like them young. Why would Epstein say that about you…
CLINTON: First of all, that’s not true.
MACE: What’s not true?
CLINTON: That I have any interest in underage girls.
MACE: I didn’t say underage. I said I said young.
CLINTON: But it’s still not true.
MACE: Is an intern young?
CLINTON: Yes.
MACE: Okay.
CLINTON: At my age, anybody younger than I am is young.
Brutal. Just brutal. I was so uncomfortable watching the whole thing. “Is an intern young?” “Yes.” That is, of course, why Jeffrey Epstein said you like them young. Don’t make me show the picture again, Mr. President, of you leering at my friend’s breasts when she was 20 years old at the Bombay Club in Washington, D.C.
My pair of friends, Meg Florence and Abby Rittman, were in Washington, D.C. and so are you. You were still president. It was 1999 and you were leering down her blouse with your hands sneaking up the side on the side boob of my other friend. So, Meg and Abby might dispute your statement that you don’t like them young. I saw it myself.
The Hot Tub Photo
In any event, he was also asked about that viral hot tub photo we all saw from the Epstein Files, where you can see him in a hot tub that was part of a larger pool with a woman whose face was redacted. Here is a bit of how that went with Rep. Nick Langworthy (R-NY):
LANGWORTHY: Do you recall the details of this photo or recall the photo being taken?
CLINTON: No, I don’t think I ever knew the photo was taken.
LANGWORTHY: For those who can’t see it, it’s a photo of you in a hot tub. There’s a person next to you here. Do you remember where it was taken?
CLINTON: …This picture was taken in Brunei…
LANGWORTHY: Were there other people in that pool or hot tub with you as well?
CLINTON: I don’t think there’s anybody in the hot tub. I don’t even– I’d forgotten that there was anybody in the hot tub…
LANGWORTHY: It appears in this photo there’s a girl over here or there’s someone.
CLINTON: Yeah, I don’t know who that is.
ATTORNEY: But he’s also asking in the pool area, whether there were other individuals.
CLINTON: I don’t know who that is.
LANGWORTHY: Okay, so you don’t know?
CLINTON: No, and then there were other people in the pool.
LANGWORTHY: So, do you remember– were they under 18? Would you know?
CLINTON: No.
ATTORNEY: Were they part of your traveling party, he’s asking you?
CLINTON: Yes, they were, I think. I think everybody there was part of our party. It was late at night… It was a hotel room and the Sultan wanted us to stay there. And the whole– the water, this big pool was on the same floor that there were several suites. And so we went out, I swam around, I sat in the hot tub for five minutes or whatever it was, and I got up and went to bed.
LANGWORTHY: And then I have to ask this, did you engage in any sexual activities with this person?
CLINTON: No.
He “went to bed.” Who was with you? That kind of gets to one of the core issues. This is so uncomfortable, but it is fair game. He was very close with Epstein. He was all over the world with him. He was on the plane. These are fair game questions of Bill Clinton.
How Epstein Died
Another interesting moment came when Bill was asked whether he thinks Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. That is the $64,000 question for many, and Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) asked it:
BOEBERT: Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself?
ATTORNEY: Are you asking him to speculate on how Mr. Epstein died?
BOEBERT: I’m asking what the president thinks of–
ATTORNEY: So, you’re asking his opinion?
BOEBERT: Mr. President was your was your friend, Jeffrey Epstein, suicidal?
ATTORNEY: Are you classifying him as a friend who he has testified that he is friendly?
BOEBERT: He has called him a friend in a letter.
ATTORNEY: He said he was friendly, but you’ve asked for his testimony here.
BOEBERT: Mr. President, do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein was suicidal?
ATTORNEY: Do you know?
BOEBERT: Was he ever suicidal?
ATTORNEY: She’s asking to the best of your understanding.
CLINTON: I don’t know. I only know what the medical finding was. [pause]
ATTORNEY: That’s it.
CLINTON: I think maybe he finally got caught. I don’t know. I’ve accepted it in my own mind, but I don’t know what happened.
BOEBERT: Mr. President, what did you accept – that he killed himself or that he did not?
CLINTON: That he did, but I don’t know. And neither do you. None of us know. We weren’t there.
Notice his lawyer said, “That’s it.” He tried to cut him off from answering, and Bubba was there to chat. He was ready. He said, “I think he got caught.” Caught? What? I mean, that is the interesting conversation.
It is interesting to hear him talk about his own theory on Jeffrey Epstein. You can only imagine what he was thinking because they had known each other very well. Donald Trump too, for that matter. It was a very interesting answer.
Clinton on Trump
Speaking of Trump, there were also questions about Trump and Epstein. It first came up when Democrats on the panel asked if the sitting president should also have to answer questions from the committee. Clinton said “that’s for you to decide” before adding the following:
“I hate this because I don’t believe I should inject anything. But I do not want to leave the impression, since there was no follow up question. He never, the president, never, this was 20-some years ago, never said anything to me to make me think he was involved in anything improper in regards to Epstein. He just didn’t. He just said, ‘We were friends and then we had a falling out over a land deal, property deal.’ That’s all.”
He was then asked when the conversation took place, and Clinton said it was at a Trump golf course in New York in “2002 or 2003.” When pressed about it again at another point in the deposition, Clinton reiterated that he only ever had one conversation with Trump about Epstein and he has “no information that he did anything wrong.”
That is the relevant timeframe because Bill Clinton was hanging out with Epstein right after his presidency in that 2000 to 2004 time period. Donald Trump was, I think, very close with Epstein for about a decade up until 2006. So, when they were talking would have been the relevant timeframe. That is interesting and probative.
The Takeaway
All of these exchanges also put the lie, by the way, to Bill and Hillary’s claim that they had absolutely nothing of value to offer and no relevant information to discuss. She didn’t really have too much to say, but he absolutely did. It was very wormy that they tried to get out of it by claiming they knew nothing when that was not true in his case. That was made clear by the deposition and notwithstanding his lawyer’s best attempts to make him look like he was, in fact, a know nothing.
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