Once upon a time, Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson infamously said she couldn’t define what a woman is because she isn’t a biologist. Well, apparently medical doctors who specialize in women’s health also aren’t qualified to explore such topics.
An OB/GYN appeared before the Senate on Wednesday for a hearing about “protecting women” and couldn’t muster a coherent answer to Sen. Josh Hawley’s (R-MO) simple and persistent question: “Can men get pregnant?”
On Thursday’s show, Megyn was joined by Adam Carolla, host of The Adam Carolla Show, to react to the absurdity.
The Hearing
The Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee (HELP) held a hearing on Wednesday titled “Protecting Women: Exposing the Dangers of Chemical Abortion Drugs.” Nisha Verma, MD, a board certified obstetrician-gynecologist, appeared as a Democratic witness in support of the drugs and her exchange with Sen. Hawley about the biological difference between men and women quickly went viral. Watch:
The back and forth centered around Dr. Verma’s unwillingness to say whether she believes men can get pregnant.
“Do you think men can get pregnant,” Sen. Hawley asked.
“I hesitated there because I wasn’t sure where the conversation was going or what the goal was,” she replied. “I mean, I do take care of patients with different identities. I take care of many women. I take care of people with different identities. And so that’s where I paused. I think, yeah, I wasn’t sure where you were going with that.”
The senator tried again. “Well, the goal is just the truth,” he said. “So, can men get pregnant?”
“Again, the reason I pause there is I’m not really sure what the goal of the question is,” the doctor responded.
“The goal is just to establish a biological reality,” Sen. Hawley interjected. “You just said a moment ago that science and evidence should control, not politics. So, let’s just test that proposition. Can men get pregnant?”
Once more, Dr. Verma attempted to revert to her “identity”-based talking points. “I take care of people with many identities,” she said. “I take care of women that can get pregnant. I do take care of people that don’t identify as women.”
The mind-numbing exchange went on for another three minutes, with the senator asking some version of the same basic question and the doctor giving some version of the same incoherent answer while accusing him of “coming from a place of trying to be polarized” and “reduce the complexity” of the issue.
Hawley said the ability to define and accept the biological differences between men and women are crucial given the cases currently before the U.S. Supreme Court and the protections afforded specifically to women in the U.S. Constitution.
“It is not polarizing to say that there is a scientific difference between men and women, and I want this to be clear and for the record: It is not polarizing to say that women are a biological reality and should be treated and protected as such. That is not polarizing. That is truth,” he emphasized. “It is also, by the way, the United States Constitution, which offers unique protections to women in a variety of circumstances as women.”
“Your refusal to recognize women as women and men as men is deeply corrosive to science, to public trust, and, yes, to constitutional protections for women as women,” he added. “I think it’s extraordinary that you would sit here and advance a political agenda that has been thoroughly discredited and rejected by the American people in this forum. And I’m glad we had this exchange because it is exceptionally clarifying. It is also, in many ways, quite depressing.”
‘Universal Condemnation’
Carolla said that if the doctor, who practices “comprehensive reproductive healthcare” in Georgia and is a fellow with the pro-abortion group Physicians for Reproductive Health, wanted to claim this is such a “nuanced” issue, then she should have given a nuanced response that nipped it in the bud.
“First off, they should just give a nuanced answer,” he said. “[Say something like], ‘No, men can’t get pregnant because they don’t have the plumbing to get pregnant. But there is still such a thing as transgender; there is such a thing as women being trapped in men’s bodies and men being trapped in women’s bodies; and these people should be treated with dignity. But no, my dad couldn’t get pregnant, only my mom could get pregnant.”
Megyn said the people like Verma are incapable of such. “They won’t do it,” she said. They are so captured by this ideological loyalty that they reject science, they reject reality, and it is up to people like Josh Hawley to hold them to account.”
“It is amazing to watch him do his thing. God bless him,” she concluded. “And universal condemnation for this idiot, Dr. Verma.”
You can check out Megyn’s full interview with Carolla by tuning in to episode 1,231 on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you like to listen. And don’t forget that you can catch The Megyn Kelly Show live on SiriusXM’s The Megyn Kelly Channel (channel 111) weekdays from 12pm to 2pm ET.